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5.9L Vs. 6.7L Cummins Diesel Engines - Cummins Vs. Cummins

Comparing The 6.7L And 5.9L Cummins Engines

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A lot has changed since the 5.9L Cummins B-series engine was first offered in '89 Dodge pickups. The injection systems, cylinder heads, emissions equipment, and turbos have all seen dramatic improvements over the last 20 years. However, the one thing that Cummins has never altered was the displacement. During the same time period, General Motors upsized its diesel from 6.2L to 6.5L, and then to the current 6.6L engine for the Duramax. Ford sold 6.9L, 7.3L, and 6.0L in the past, and currently sells 6.4L Power Stroke engines, continually improving in order to meet various performance, fuel economy, and emissions requirements.

Yet while the number of valves and injection systems have been updates on the Cummins B-series, the engine has always displaced a consistent 5.9 liters. Of course, all of that changed last year when Cummins revised the B-series in the face of increased emissions controls for diesel engines. The new 6.7L B-series engine has 12% more displacement, advanced electronics, a variable geometry turbocharger, and is saddled with an EGR cooler and diesel particulate filter.

5.9L VS. 6.7L On The Dyno
We wanted to see how the 6.7L stacks up next to the proven 5.9L, so we rounded up two stock Dodge trucks equipped with four-wheel drive and automatic transmissions. The 5.9L Cummins truck was an '06 Quad Cab shortbed, and the 6.7L Cummins was an '07 Mega Cab. We began by putting both trucks on Flash Auto's chassis dyno in Albuquerque, New Mexico, to see how the real world power figures compare to Dodge's advertised numbers. As we were generating power numbers, the differences in emissions controls became immediately obvious. The 5.9L made plenty of smoke under load, even in stock form. By contrast, the 6.7L was squeaky clean during our dyno pulls. Advantage: 6.7L Cummins

Stock Power Numbers
The 5.9L-powered truck put down 269 hp at 2,550 rpm and 594 lb-ft of torque at 2,300 rpm; and the 6.7L-equipped Dodge put down 259 hp at 2,850 rpm and 487 lb-ft at 2,750 rpm. Runs were made in direct drive for both trucks-however it should be noted that the 5.9L Cummins was backed by the 48RE four-speed automatic transmission and the 6.7L used the new 68RE six-speed automatic. Unfortunately, the 5.9L Dodge used in our test had 35-inch Toyo tires on 20-inch Eagle Alloy rims. In order to limit the variables between the two trucks, the stock tires and wheels from the 6.7L truck were swapped onto the 5.9L truck, resulting in 10 additional peak hp and 10 lb-ft of torque. Advantage: 5.9L Cummins

Installing Performance Air Intakes
After getting stock power figures, we installed some typical aftermarket components on both trucks to see how they responded to the modifications. We began at the front of the trucks by installing S&B intakes (5.9L P/N 75-5033 and 6.7L P/N 75-5015). Both S&B air intake kits used large-diameter, smooth, molded tubes and multi-layer cotton gauze filters that meet ISO 5011 specifications. The only real difference between the intake kits for the different engines was the installation of a mass air flow (MAF) sensor to the intake on the 6.7L Cummins in addition to the air intake temperature (IAT)sensor used on both engines. The S&B intakes were designed to route cool air from the stock air duct in the fender, and included detailed instructions complete with color photos. Minor trimming was necessary to get the feet of the new airbox to fit in the locating grommets on both trucks, but this was a small price to pay for an intake that costs a fraction of other competitors' products and delivers just as much horsepower and superior filtration.Advantage: Tie

Plug-In Performance Modules
After installing the intakes, we added Edge's Juice with Attitude to both engines while the hoods were still up (5.9L P/N 30106 and 6.7L P/N 30107). The Juice module is a reliable and well-known product in the diesel market, and Edge was quick to bring the Juice to the market for the new 6.7L engine. The Juice module install on both trucks, placed between the ECU and the wiring harness with factory-style connectors, provides altered injector timing and duration for improved mileage and power. Both units were very similar, and installation was plug-and-play, the only difference being the location of the MAP sensor. While Edge didn't include the same detailed color instructions that S&B did, high-resolution photos and installation instructions were found in PDF format on Edge's Web site. Edge is currently expanding its installation video library for these products, and is planning to include an instructional CD with every purchase by the time you read this.Advantage: Tie

Edge Attitude Monitor
The Attitude in-cab monitor works in conjunction with the Juice performance modules to allow five different power settings that can be selected on the fly. The Attitude display monitors boost, exhaust gas temperatures (EGT), transmission temperature, and a variety of other user-selected functions. The Attitude also has the ability to reduce power when excessive EGT or transmission slippage is sensed, making it smarter than many competing products. On the 6.7L trucks, the Attitude can also display the critical diesel particulate filter (DPF) regeneration status. This is a feature we have yet to see offered from other manufacturers, but it provides a great sense of security when modifying a new emissions-equipped diesel truck. Advantage: 6.7L Cummins

EGT Probe Install
In order to monitor the exhaust gas temperature (EGT), a pyrometer was added to the exhaust manifolds on both trucks. This was a relatively simple process for the 5.9L engine, but we could hardly even see the exhaust manifold on the 6.7L Cummins! We returned to Flash Auto and let its staff of experts perform the task. The money spent was well worth it when we drove away without any skinned knuckles. Advantage: 5.9L Cummins

Exhaust System Install
While the S&B intakes and Edge modules were very similar for both trucks, the Silverline exhausts were dramatically different. Both exhaust systems are constructed from mandrel-bent T304 stainless steel and come with a limited lifetime warranty (5.9L P/N DS105 and 6.7L P/N DS109). Some other exhaust manufacturers can make these same claims, but it was the details that really set Silverline apart from the pack. Welded hangers, easy fitment, polished exhaust tips, bolt-on construction, and excellent packaging were included with both Silverline exhaust kits. While the construction was the same between the 5.9L and 6.7L systems, there were a few differences. The 5.9L system was 4 inches in diameter from the turbo back and used a polished 6-inch muffler with internal louvers. By contrast, the Silverline 6.7L exhaust started behind the DPF (by law all aftermarket exhaust systems must be this way) and used 5-inch diameter tubing with no muffler. We were nervous about running the daily-driven Mega Cab without a muffler, but the exhaust catalyst and DPF provided plenty of muffling-both trucks are scarcely louder than stock. While the noise did not change significantly, the fuel economy increased on each truck and the EGTs decreased. We were very surprised by the improvements offered by the DPF-back exhaust on the 6.7L.Advantage: Tie

Intake and ExhaustDyno Numbers
We went back to Flash Auto to quantify the changes on the chassis dyno, particularly to see if the horsepower gains on the 6.7L would be as great as the 5.9L since it did not benefit from a full exhaust upgrade. With the Edge Juice in the Stock setting, the 5.9L gained 38 hp and 117 lb-ft of torque, and the horsepower peak rose 300 rpm. The 6.7L was even more impressive, gaining 64 hp and 158 lb-ft of torque with just the intake and exhaust. Clearly there are restrictions on the 6.7L besides the DPF and exhaust catalyst, since they were retained.Advantage: 6.7L Cummins

Performance Module Dyno Numbers
Turning the Edge Juice up to the Tow setting netted another 44 hp and 127 lb-ft for the 5.9L and knocked the horsepower peak down to a stump-pulling 2,200 rpm. The 6.7L gained 30 hp and 96 lb-ft of torque from the Juice's Tow setting. Turning the Juice up to the Extreme setting gained another 35 hp and 106 lb-ft of torque for the 5.9L, and 23 hp and 51 lb-ft of torque for the 6.7L.Advantage: 5.9L Cummins

Fuel Economy
The 5.9L truck was equipped with a 4-inch suspension lift and 35-inch tires on heavy 20-inch rims, and the owner was only getting 13 mpg in mixed highway and city driving. After the intake and Edge module were installed, mileage improved slightly to 14.5 mpg. When the Silverline exhaust was added, mileage improved to 16.5 mpg. "I had never been able to get 500 miles out of a tank of fuel before the exhaust was installed, but now I can," reported the 5.9L Cummins owner.

The owner of the 6.7L truck was not as scientific about recording his mileage, but he did experience a notable increase in mileage after the intake and module were installed. There also seemed to be another increase in fuel economy from the exhaust. The 6.7L owner was pleasantly surprised by the difference the exhaust made, considering that the factory diesel particulate filter and catalyst were both retained.Advantage: Tie

Conclusion
The 6.7L Cummins didn't show the same power potential as the 5.9L, but that's no surprise considering that it's saddled with so many emissions controls. What is surprising was that even with an increased stroke length (4.88 inches versus 4.72 inches), the 6.7L made peak horsepower at a significantly higher rpm than the 5.9L Cummins. The fact that we were able to get so much out of the 6.7L without affecting the DPF or throwing any codes spoke volumes about the quality of parts that S&B, Edge, and Silverline are producing.

As more 6.7L Cummins-equipped trucks hit the roads, we expect even more products to become available for them in the future, closing the gap between the new 6.7L and the trusty 5.9L. While the displacement may have changed, the Cummins B-series engine is still alive and well.


5.9L vs. 6.7L Cummins Specifications

Engine: 5.9-Liter H.O.Cummins Turbo Diesel I-6
Type and Description: Six-cylinder, inline, liquid-cooled, turbocharged,intercooled
Displacement: 359 ci
Bore x Stroke: 4.02 x 4.72 inches (102.1 x 119.9mm)
Valve System: OHV, 24 valves, solid lifters
Fuel Injection:Electronic high-pressure common rail
Construction: Cast-iron block and head
Compression Ratio: 17.2:1
Power (SAE net): 325 hp at 2,900 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 610 lb-ft at 1,600 rpm
Maximum High-Idle Engine Speed:3,500 rpm
Fuel Requirement: Diesel
Oil Capacity: 12 quarts with filter
Coolant Capacity: 32.7 quarts
Emission Controls: Oxidation catalytic converter and internal engine features

Engine: 6.7-Liter H.O.Cummins Turbo Diesel I-6
Type and Description: Six-cylinder, inline, liquid-cooled, turbocharged, intercooled
Displacement: 408 ci
Bore x Stroke: 4.21 x 4.88 inches(107 x 124mm)
Valve System: OHV, 24 valves, solid lifters
Fuel Injection:Electronic high-pressure common rail
Construction: Cast-iron block and head
Compression Ratio: 17.3:1
Power (SAE net): 350 hp at 3,013 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 650 lb-ft at 1,500 rpm
Maximum High-idle Engine Speed:3,500 rpm
Fuel Requirement:Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel
Oil Capacity: 12 quarts with filter
Coolant Capacity: 29.5 quarts
Emission Controls: Exhaust catalyst and diesel particulate filter, EGR, and internal engine features

SOURCES
Edge Products S&B Filters
787 S. Wanamaker Ave.
Ontario
CA  91761
Flash Auto Silverline Exhaust/ANSA Automotive
www.silverlineexhaust.com
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241 comments
Cam Robison
Cam Robison

Dillon Zellhuber FYI ram does not own cummins lol

Ricky Amezcua
Ricky Amezcua

why hate on gas? we should be hating on prius and outback owners. my 460 can pull 70ft mobile homes so why go there?

Randy Bahl
Randy Bahl

Umm last I checked Cummins is there own corp business. Dodge buys there engines from Cummins. You can find your cute 12 valve Cummins in a case IH tractor

Randy Bahl
Randy Bahl

Umm last I checked Cummins is there own corp business. Dodge buys there engines from Cummins. You can find your cute 12 valve Cummins in a case IH tractor

Billy Underwood
Billy Underwood

Ford was bailed out by dodge? Wtf? Bought shares of ram so they could use cummins? Lmao! Ram don't own cummins.

Hunter Llewellyn
Hunter Llewellyn

Ford was bailed out by dodge awhile ago...needless to say they bought shares of ram and used the cummins motors in their heavy duty trucks such as their 450's and up

Zach Self
Zach Self

2010 an up 6.7 idk about the 07.5 to 09

Brandon Wood
Brandon Wood

Ryan Milliken do you see what I see on those license plates!?

Manuel Venzor
Manuel Venzor

The 5.9L is better! The 6.7L is ok. It would be a lot better if Chrysler designed a transmission to be able to handle it. The Cummins QSK45 sounds pretty gnarly right Patrick Hoisington?

Josh Fox
Josh Fox

WaaaaaaaaaaaaaI have toyotas! All over!

Craig Welch
Craig Welch

5.9 junk 6.7 is bigger better and beast

Steven Seeley
Steven Seeley

Joel Case Sr. Yea 9 sec on stock turbo and stock injectors dummy so try again

David Hubbard III
David Hubbard III

I gotta say I love my 1999 5.9..had to put the egde comp box and a better tranny but like I say when u see the smoke shes doin work..oh and its 197k on it

Joel Case Sr.
Joel Case Sr.

I worked for a ford dealer for years as a mechanic been a mechanic 20 some years have worked on damn near every make and model but the biggest p.o.s I've ever had the misfortune to come across is the 6.0 powder choke

Joel Case Sr.
Joel Case Sr.

Jacob Nikolas Aaron Mirlin u got a ttb ford and u got the balls to talk about a junk frt end what u been smoken

Joel Case Sr.
Joel Case Sr.

Got a first gen and third gen the 5.9 is as dependable as a hammer both of mine run there ass's off my 03 will smoke a new M3 its fn hilarious gets about 20mpg I sled pull drag race and regularly tow over 15, 000lbs

Trevor Myers
Trevor Myers

Both 05's I think but ima have to go with the 5.9

Walt Slover
Walt Slover

I recently got to see a 6.7 with a window rite next to #6, the rod fell out the hole onto our driveway!!!!

Jack Stout
Jack Stout

I think they ask these types of questions just to laugh at some of the ignorant posts.

Eric Salas
Eric Salas

5.9 wanna of dodge cummins best engines!!

Cody Simoncelli
Cody Simoncelli

If you hate a dmax perhaps you should stay away from diesels all together

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